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GPP’s Great Power Rankings

   Posted by: Pat   in China, Russia

So after a long wait of almost 20 hours, I bring you GPP’s first Great Power Top Ten List! Great powers have come to their position of power slowly and have generally left their esteemed place in international politics in a similar fashion, so how can one do a monthly Great Power – Power Ranking system, one may ask? Long term prognosticating will of course be an important aspect of GPP’s rankings, but short term moves, issues, and strategic successes and failures will also be considered. For instance, if I did a power ranking after Russia’s successful invasion of Georgia, which proved Moscow’s hard power was not only still capable, but willing to be used, Russia would have gotten a ‘bump up’ in my rankings. This list is not exhaustive and is of course open for debate and even your own Top Ten. I think this is an exciting time for Great Power Politics as many claim the US is declining as a superpower, there is much focus on the Rising Powers of China, India, Brazil, and older great powers, such as Russia and Iran, are starting to reassert themselves on the global stage.

Here are some of the major criteria for which the states will be considered as Great Powers:

  • Power – Basically, how much total influence does your state have in the world. In what ways can your state make other states or actors do something that they don’t necessarily want to do?
  • Economy – What is your GDP? Is your economy growing? Declining? (aren’t they all right now?) How much can your economic power be easily translated into ways to influence other actors?
  • Permanent/Near Permanent Resources – natural resources controlled, population size, geography
  • Ideology/Cultural – How powerful is your state’s governing and lifestyle philosophy in the world? Do your beliefs and ideas translate to influence around the globe?
  • Internal State Strength – How strong and legitimate is your domestic government? How stable?

It is time. Below are my Top Ten Great Power Rankings, followed by a Tier breakdown, with short explanations to follow:

  1.  United States of America
  2.  China
  3.  Russia
  4.  Germany
  5.  Japan
  6.  India
  7.  Brazil
  8.  France
  9.  Turkey
  10.  Israel
On the GP Bubble – Iran, United Kingdom, South Africa. Indonesia, San Francisco Giants (only in the NL West)        

Tier A – USA

Tier B – China, Russia

Tier C – Germany, Japan

Tier D – India

Tier E – Brazil, France, Turkey, Israel

 1. USA – The United States is still the only state on the planet that can project power to all corners of the globe. Despite the economic crisis, the US economy is still head and shoulders above all others. The US geographic security is second to none and its domestic government holds a tremendous amount of legitimacy. Lastly, its cultural and liberal ideology, though under fire from many directions, is still the most pervasive of any kind throughout the world.
 2. China – The greatest challenger to US supremacy (and for the top spot on GPP’s Rankings!) for this century is the Middle Kingdom. China’s economy has been booming for nearly 20 years now and though it is facing many hardships during this financial crisis, it is still in relatively good economic shape. In the last few years, Beijing has bought up resources and influence throughout the world, especially in Central Asia, Latin America, and Africa. Militarily, China is still relatively weak, but its defensive spending has expanded every year and it is starting to present itself as a regional power player. China’s internal governance, ruled by the Communist Party, though well disciplined and organized, faces social unrest and is challenged by two separatist movements, Tibet and Xinjiang.
 3. Russia – Moscow has been a great power on and off for centuries and though it is currently struggling economically, this has not hurt its ability to effect world events. As the Georgia invasion, Kyrgyzstan Manas Base extraction, and NATO expansion/Missile Shield protests have shown. Moscow is an old fashioned great power as it unabashedly showcases its willingness to use hard power (including cyberwarfare and gas politics). Though the Putin-Medvedev rule is challenged on many fronts, it is nevertheless a strong government with a decent amount of legitimacy from its population.
  4-5. Japan and Germany – These two WWII allies have the 3rd and 4th strongest economies in the world and though their military capabilities are rather weak (thanks to US protection and internal preferences) they each could translate this soft, economic power into hard power in a short time, ie. Japan’s nuclear capability. Lastly, their domestic governments are strong and have high legitimacy at home and abroad.
  6-7. India and Brazil – These two geographic and population giants are both experiencing strong economic growth and are definitely two ‘up and comers’ in the great power game.
 8. France – Strong, if not large economy. Great power history. Though somewhat weak militarily, Paris does hold multiple nuclear weapons and uses diplomacy effectively to spread its influence around the world.
 9. Turkey – Turkey is a real ‘middling’ power. It has decent influence and power in two continents and a strong historical legacy as a great power. Domestic stability and governance has been its achilles heel in the past, but it seems to be weathering that storm rather well in recent years. Ankara’s economic growth has been slow and steady.
 10. Israel – Though it is small in population, economy, and geography, the Jewish state has a tremendous amount of influence in the Middle East and a strategic partnership with No. 1 USA. Israel is in a precarious, to say the least, security situation, but its military, which includes nuclear weapons, is second to none in the region.

Your thoughts? Your Rankings?

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19 comments so far

micraig
 1 

I might argue that Iran is more relevant than France in your power ratings in that France has almost no standing as a military force. One only has to look at the jokes about France needing everyone else to fight its wars to see the lack of respect for its military influence.

I.E.: Q: How many Frenchman does it take to guard Paris?
A: Nobody knows, it’s never been tried before.

And while Iran frightens me, it certainly commands a level of respect. Economically, I believe that Iran holds the third greatest oil reserve following only Saudi Arabia and Canada. So as long as oil holds sway for energy, they will be a player.

I might have put India higher than Germany in that I believe their economic growth will outstrip Germany’s, and Israel higher than Turkey because of their military capabilities (and the willingness to use them).

I would also substitute the New York Yankees for the San Francisco Giants because they have more “current” players on droids than the Giants.

Other than that, pretty interesting!

February 23rd, 2009 at 8:41 am
Pickinmachine
 2 

Love the power rankings idea.

I agree with micraig about India. I think that India should be ranked higher than Germany. Other than the economic factors, India fields a substantial, relevant navy.

The US Navy (specifically the aircraft carrier) is one of the biggest signs of power. The ability to mobilize a strike force anywhere in the world in a matter of hours – now that’s power!

Somewhat random, but I did read today that Brazil and China signed an oil deal worth a reported 10 billion for Brazil. Brazil plans on spending 174 billion to expand oil exloration and production. China secures more oil.

Definitely a power move for both countries.

February 23rd, 2009 at 9:45 am
 3 

Great comments. First, great French Army joke. Second, France over Iran. France’s army is limited, but active. It is currently operating in many peace operations throughout Africa and sees combat duty in Afghanistan. In terms of GDP, France beats Iran hands down and though it is true Iran has great energy reserves, its state is incapable of efficiently getting them out of the ground and needs foreign help. Also, while France has tens of nukes, Iran has yet to get their own, and could theoretically be invaded by the US at anytime, emphasis ‘theoretically’.
You both raise valid points about India above Germany. This was tough. Pickin makes a great point (and Micraig knows this more than anyone) that a powerful navy is the most effective tool in projecting power, and this indeed is what New Delhi is creating. However, Germany gains points for still a stronger, stabler economy and a even stronger domestic government. Germany’s interests are a big reason why the US won’t push to hard for Ukraine/Georgia NATO membership anytime soon. Though one is usually loath to admit it, Germany’s past as great power with tremendous military and organizational strength also gives it major GPP power points as the whole world has seen what it is capable of, both good and bad. However, Germany’s position above India will likely be short-lived.

February 23rd, 2009 at 10:30 am
Hubbel Relat
 4 

Very interesting idea for power rankings, Pat. I like your general analysis as well as the other comments. I would question whether Japan might be lower on the scale with their economic troubles and the rise of China in that region of the world. Aside from the #2 economy in the world, Japan does not score very high in the other categories.

I will also complement the French joke – they’re so easy to poke fun at. I would put France on the list not for their military power but for their influential role in shaping EU policy and constraining US action. Same with Germany. I don’t usually agree with their approach but their influence cannot be denied.

Turkey is an interesting choice also. Perhaps they are on there merely because someone from that region has to be. They could easily be replaced in the near future by Saudi Arabia, Egypt or Iran, I think.

I would also put Russia high although not necessarily because of their military might. Russia’s power comes from others’ perception of them and their totalitarian nature of conducting international affairs. I think the West is stuck in the Cold War and continually gives Russia too much deference. This translates into significant influence in their region. For instance, NATO induction of Eastern European countries should be a sovereign decision that is made with an eye towards protection against aggressive neighbors, i.e., Russia. The fact that we see people supporting Russia’s right to forcefully oppose countries like Ukraine and Georgia from joining NATO appears to be an implied acceptance of Russia’s ability to use military force against those countries in the future. I know this is a slight tangent but I mention it just to point out that some countries’ (antiquated) perceptions of other countries can propel them (unnaturally) higher in the power rankings. Just my thoughts. Again Pat, good idea.

February 23rd, 2009 at 12:51 pm
Chris Herbert
 5 

Thanks for the rankings, Pat! I enjoyed seeing how you filled in the countries in this ranking. I’m wondering what Great Power would win spot number 11 of the ones you have listed. Iran would win my vote.

I would also see the UK as perhaps a little more influential than France because of its high amount of participation in NATO and its frequent appearances on the global diplomatic stage, and its global cultural significance.

February 23rd, 2009 at 1:07 pm
 6 

It did indeed hurt me to leave the UK off the list (it may make it later), as you are right its global economic, governmental, and cultural influence is tremendous, just look at India, and its military is very active in Iraq and Afghanistan. But their economy is in deep trouble and they have lost some influence to the EU.

About Turkey, it was not put on there for regional posturing. Compared to Egypt, Iran, and Saudi Arabia, Turkey’s economy is dynamic with consistent growth. Turkey is also a NATO member and key ally to Israel. It doesn’t hurt either that Turkey was a recent great power (Ottoman Empire).

I love the debate, keep’em coming!

February 23rd, 2009 at 1:20 pm
micraig
 7 

Hubbel makes a good point about France’s influence in the EU. I am not sure that its possession of nuclear capabilities though makes for a compelling argument. I would venture that use of those bombs is not on the table. (As you pointed out a number of blogs ago, referring to the moral outrage the rest of the world would have.) Whereas they would use their “10s of bombs,” I have no doubt that Iran would use whatever capabilities they might have. I don’t think Iran has as much restraint. Therefore, they are more dangerous, and that could be read as power. I do not know whether France’s EU influence outweighs Iran’s capabilities for mischief. I think I would still place Iran above France. No insult intended Hubbel!

February 23rd, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Hubbel Relat
 8 

Micraig, I think you’re point about Iran over France might win the day in my book if we were talking about most influential on the world scene. And that quite likely is the debate.

As for nukes, I would more disadvantage in not having them, than advantage in having them because like most of us agree, no one is really in a position to use one. But if Iran had one, they could at least threaten to use one. This is why I think it imperative to prevent proliferation in Iran and North Korea (although NK already has ‘em, thanks to Clinton and Bush).

February 23rd, 2009 at 5:24 pm
micraig
 9 

The possibility of the threat of using nukes is also a very valid argument. I guess my bottom line is that they have so much oil. Professor Frost’s observation that they need foreign help to get it out of the ground is also valid but that help will be provided by someone. Oil is too valuable of a commodity for the different players in geopolitics to ignore. Now if we can come up with clean energy sources that don’t require vast oil reserves then the whole table changes. Fusion power, if it was ever developed, or a technological breakthrough on storage of wind and solar power (to give it the on-demand status that other power sources have) would essentially leave the Arab states bankrupt. It’s hard to run a Jihad when none of your people are eating. That circumstance would also adversely affect Russia’s standing.

In the long term there is another thing in the offing that would affect all of these rankings. And that is global warming. If, and I know that all of you don’t agree that it’s happening, global warming continues and raises the sea level by about 3 feet, we are going to see mass population migration. Most immediately hit will be Indonesia and lower Asia. The only place for these people to go is north. The areas around India and China will end up fighting because there just won’t be enough land, water, and resources for everyone.

But I’ve gone far afield. I vote Iran over France. (For now anyway. I reserve the right to bail later)

February 23rd, 2009 at 7:40 pm
econstudent01
 10 

Clearly we are all missing the much larger issue: Pat has stumbled upon the greatest blogging tool known to man- The Ranking List. Everyone loves ranks and lists. It quantifies immeasurable things into a system we can identify with and thus argue and bicker. I call for one list every week!

February 24th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
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‘Worst Comments Ever’ Top Ten List
1. Econstudent101
2. Econstudent101
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February 24th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
micraig
 12 

Worst over the top liberal commie comments? (micraig)?

Worst over the top ultra conservative comments?
(hubbel)?

February 24th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
econstudent01
 13 

You know Pat, I totally agree with that statement and enjoyed reading it. The Ranking List wins again!

February 25th, 2009 at 6:59 am
Frank
 14 

Remove Turkey and replace with Spain.

March 13th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
micraig
 15 

Why Spain Frank?

March 13th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
 16 

Very good list, although I do agree that the UK should be in France’s spot.

Second, my comment to the guy who mentioned Iran–they certainly shouldn’t be on the list at the current time.

Iran’s air force is literally half-grounded and non-functional. They only have a handful of both modern and functional fighter jets in their inventory. Latest estimates showed that out of approximately 200 functional war planes, only about 2 dozen would be considered a threat to a modern air force (like Israel, the U.S., or UK).

Also, it should be noted that their surface-to-air defenses have largely not been upgrades since before the Shah was overthrown. The few that they have upgraded used now-ancient 1980s Soviet technology (that was also mostly re-vamped 1970s technology.

Also, most of the army is not very efficient or well trained any longer. It should be noted that that at it’s post-Shah peak power, they got their butts handed to them by Saddam Hussein–and of course the U.S. easily rolled over him a few years later in the first Gulf War.

The Iranian military infrastructure is very weak, and has not improved very much since then.

Even more importantly than all of this, the Iranian “youth” is growing tired of the clerical leadership, so it is very unstable and ripe for another revolution. That of course only makes their overall military ambitions that much harder to attain.

Anyway, sorry for the long comment, but I liked the post, so I wanted to say something! Keep up the good work.

March 29th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
micraig
 17 

To “Comrade Tovya”: Your arguments concerning Iran are quite persuasive. The reason I suggested they be put in the top 10 was not because of their military might, which you have so deftly analyzed as lacking, but because of the threat to gain a nuclear weapon and because of the oil resources which they control. After reading your objections I’m not sure that those two things outweigh your points. I believe that power rankings however, are more than just military might. It will be interesting to see how Professor Frost lists France, Iran, and Britain in the next version of the power rankings.

March 30th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
 18 

Good points Comrade (and Micraig). Iran’s military was once proud, but now quite weak. I will have an updated list in the very near future. So, Stay Tuned!

March 31st, 2009 at 6:55 am
The European
 19 

Where is the European Union at this list ?
It is no news anymore, that the EU and its members act collectively in many respects
and should be considered a semi souvereign state.

April 17th, 2009 at 1:56 pm

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